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  1. dumbfounded says - Posted: August 24, 2011

    Public facilities are owned by the public, when private entities operate public facilities, they have only their profit motive to drive their decisions regarding maintenance. It is very likely that maintenance issues will be put to the bottom of the list of expense. This will cause the public to lose value in their facilities.

    For instance, if South Lake Tahoe were to privatize the snow removal within the city. The various vehicles would very likely receive less maintenance and would break down more often resulting in much reduced snow removal. The residents would then have more snow on their streets. The snow and ice would then stay on the roads longer and degrade them that much faster. The contractor would not have any interest or profit motive to keep this from happening.

    Should privatization go ahead, the contracts would have to be written and administered very carefully, increasing the expense for the city. It is very likely that this would offset any savings that privatization would bring.

  2. X LOCAL says - Posted: August 24, 2011

    No,
    What Your City Manager is doing is trying to turn this City over to VAIL COLORADO, Do you want your City run By VAIL COLORADO.
    If he has his way it will be with in the next 2 or 3 years.

  3. dogwoman says - Posted: August 24, 2011

    Mixed bag. Private industry certainly has more incentive to operate efficiently because they MUST make a profit to survive. And if another private company is out there doing the same thing BETTER, they also can suffer, whereas with government, they usually have a monopoly, so the public doesn’t get to choose.
    If a public service becomes privately operated, it can be a really good option or a really bad one, depending on how govt. sets it up. As long as the privateer guarantees a certain amount of income to the govt, and pays up, maintains the property, it should all be good. But if our city lawyer isn’t smart and doesn’t write it up to OUR benefit, we’re screwed.

  4. snoheather says - Posted: August 24, 2011

    I agree with dogwoman. The only thing I’d like to add is that this city attorney doesn’t seem to do anything to OUR benefit.

  5. tahoeadvocate says - Posted: August 24, 2011

    Subcontracting operations is a good idea. The City maintains the asset but all the employee salary and benefits is managed by a subcontractor. The City is able to forcast costs through the contracting process. If the assest isn’t being run the way the city wants then they should have a clause to terminate for cause and find a new company.

  6. Fireman says - Posted: August 24, 2011

    They all should be in my opinion. if the contracts are done right the city will know exactly the cost of oreration on the general fund, and the revenue into the general fund. Also wont have to worry about paying retirement and benefits for the next 60 years on a direct city employeee.Times have changed if we dont things will not get better

  7. X LOCAL says - Posted: August 24, 2011

    What you are about to see is the City Mgr. remove the public works road dept and go to Part time snow removal services, AND CONTRACT STREET MAINT.

    SOMEBODY BETTER WAKE UP, BOY WILL YOU BE IN FOR A SUPRISE, I HOPE YOU GET ANOTHER WINTER LIKE LAST YEAR, THEN YOU WILL BE DEMANDING THE REMOVAL OF THIS CITY MGR. AND CITY COUNCIL

  8. Allan says - Posted: August 25, 2011

    I want my taxes to provide me with dependable service, and I am concerned that private industry is motivated by profit rather that providing service. I prefer to have options when it comes to which private industry I patronize, and turning over tax paid services to private industry seems like handing a monopoly over to a profit driven business.

  9. Concerned says - Posted: August 25, 2011

    Allan- Great point, look at STR, fairly low paying jobs with a select few getting rich.

  10. k9woods says - Posted: August 26, 2011

    It depends….some will benefit where you have a diverse choice of “vendors” to compete and choose from. The problem arises when the use of public monies require the selection of lowest bid. I have engaged in subcontracting services for major corporations (my employers) for approximately 25 years. Too often, the race to the bottom is the rule of the day among them. What you get are low wage workers, who get no benefits, no sick leave, poor vacation plans. The plus side is scalability. Is this what we really want?

    As in so many things in life, what looks good on paper doesn’t always translate to what we actually get.

    Just saying………….

  11. Are u thinking this thur? says - Posted: August 26, 2011

    FIREMAN. Know why he’s for it?? Because his 5% cola raise is pending street and roads and recs being completly eliminated. I don’t see fire agreeing to being privatized???? TAHOE relys on snow and skiers during the winter. Cal trans clears hwy 50. Some of your plow drivers have many years of experince behind them to take care of your streets. Think they will come back and work low wage?You pay them, you call and get things fixed because they are city run. They are held to certain standards to maintain thier jobs.A private contactor? Where exactly will they find people willing to have the experince needed to safely plow your streets to come here and work seasonal. What if something happens to your property? Will you call the contractor,private citzen with a private company who already has a signed contract for the year or if he’s smart 5? 10 years and he’ll really care that his low wage guy hit your mail box, or fence, or CAR, yeah he’ll surely take it out of HIS profits to pay you. The city won’t. You’ll sue him? Complain?They are not city run.The city won’t care. Why? Because if O”rouke (who rents a house in the county and who’s family dosen”t EVEN LIVE HERE!!!!!He commutes back to vail)Will slaughter half his work force to maintain his raise, why will he care about you?

  12. Careaboutthecommunity says - Posted: August 26, 2011

    As in any service or purchase I want the best value for my money. That’s the criteria to meet.

  13. Steve says - Posted: August 26, 2011

    The city plow has damaged my mailbox twice in the last 2 years, and they refuse to repair or replace. And my observation is that very few of the city plow drivers make any attempt whatsoever to avoid leaving a berm in front of the mailbox. As a citizen, I am not impressed with the city’s snow removal.

    How could a private snow removal service be any worse?

  14. dogwoman says - Posted: August 26, 2011

    Did you ever wonder why so much of CalTrans’ highway construction work is done by Granite or some other company? Because private industry can do it faster, better, and cheaper. AND they actually have to back up their work. The government never does.

  15. Skibum says - Posted: August 26, 2011

    Steve, when we first started getting home delivery up here the Post Office put out the requirements for the placement of the mailbox. It had to be within 3 feet of the street so the driver would have to get out of their car. The reason was that they are not “Mailmen” but Rural rout carriers and don’t actually work for the agency and the insurance wouldn’t cover them. The right of way for the City and County is 8 feet, in other words anything within 8 feet of the street can be damaged by the snow removal operations and they are not liable. The Post office’s answer to this was to put the box in a bucket and move it when it snows.

  16. Skibum says - Posted: August 26, 2011

    driver would not have to get out of their car

  17. Clear Water says - Posted: August 26, 2011

    Stop being so damn cheap, get a post office box forget the *****.

    The mail box that you see just another tacky eye sore of someone pushing the ordinances both ways, when no one wants to do something that positive that works for all parties involved.

    Those 5 gallon buckets are nothing but targets for butt holes to mess with.Don’t even mention stealing your id,They already know everything about you.

  18. geeper says - Posted: August 27, 2011

    After reading your latest on the city, maybe the finance department. It might make it more honest.

  19. fireman says - Posted: August 28, 2011

    Why dont we ask all of the residential area in nevada how they like thier private snow removal services. Nevada does not do any residential streets they are all subcontracted out. Might be some good topic for discusion. I dont know if they think they get good value for thier dollars or not. I have worked over there doing snow removal for a private contractor when i was younger and made good money. The big thing was i knew that if i didnt do a good job or provide a positive customer service i would not havea job tomorrow. So I made sure everyone was as happy as could be and went above and beyond. If we dont do something to grow our town and increase revenue we will not be able to suppport the services we have.

  20. Local Yokle says - Posted: August 30, 2011

    The advantage to private industry is lower wages and fewer benefits. Otherwise they need to provide comparable or better service and make a profit to get by.

    South Lake Tahoe has had mixed luck outsourcing. Our bus service continues to be under review. Can other services be outsourced? Certainly they can but that doesn’t mean they should. If the people hired are local than certainly give it a try. If this will ship local jobs and local money elsewhere than there better be a good return on our money considering the jobs and local money we will loose.

    I have had mixed luck with our snow removal but overall I would say they do a pretty good job considering our environment. If it ain’t broke….

    My Two Cents
    -Local Yokle