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Opinion: S. Tahoe turns deaf ear to younger generation


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By Scott Valentine

I spoke at the South Lake Tahoe Planning Commission meeting on Nov. 29 to make some comments on the Harrison Avenue Streetscape Project. There was one other person in the audience beside myself. After making some suggestions about the bikeability and walkability of this area, I was asked: “If there are so many people who believe in these ideas and solutions, where are they now?”

Scott Valentine

I should have told the commission that the reason is simple: They’re at work!

OK, maybe I’m overreacting, but I felt like it was inappropriate and disrespectful to devalue someone’s comment based on the number of attendees at 3 on a Thursday afternoon.

I’m in my late 30s; people my age are spending time trying to manage a family and juggle work, while simultaneously trying to squeak in some world-class play wherever they can so they can justify living in such a junky town. Sorry. I’m not a snob, but this is the dumpiest place I have ever lived, surrounded by the best place I have ever lived.

I recently found a Tahoe Daily Tribune article from 1977 that stated that one of the top priorities for City Council was the beautification of Highway 50. So I understand change is slow, either that or our idea of beauty in 1977 was very disappointing.

I was on the steering committee that helped to re-create the beach at Lakeview Commons so I feel like there are a few people doing what they can to fix the dumpy parts. However, one of the public comments we received while trying to improve this area was: “Stop changing our town!” It seems as though the public is as much at fault as our political leaders for slowing positive improvements.

I felt like a fool after speaking in front of the commission that day in November, and I walked away feeling … alone? Not alone in sentiment, because I know there are a lot of people out there that would like to improve the standard of living in this town, but alone in involvement, participation, or unification around a common goal maybe.

The makeup of our city government is not a fair representation of our town and therefore does not accurately represent the views of our town. So why are active young professionals in this town so underrepresented? We are constantly talking about positive change, sustainability, and community vision, but seriously lack the time and energy to get involved. Maybe this apathy can be explained because we think the older generation in this town is set in their ways, fearful of change, and unwilling to listen to a bunch of young, educated radicals. Guess what? We make up a very large percentage of this town, and right now we are inheriting the mistakes currently being set upon us simply because we don’t have the time to get involved. This is unacceptable.

I focused my frustrations and decided to apply for the recent appointment to City Council. It was made very clear during the interview process that the current council was looking for “qualified” and experienced applicants. It is ignorant of the community and the council to think that our generation is not “qualified” in making informed decisions regarding our town. I lost the appointment after a three-way tie with two older, more “qualified” ex-council members. I hope their qualifications enable them to make decisions that are more representative of the newer, younger demographic prevalent in our town. Is this recent decision by council somehow sending a message to new candidates that this old mentality will never change? I should hope not.

I applaud Trish Hickson and Jason Drew for stepping up to serve on the city Planning Commission. Others should follow their lead and help guide positive improvements for our city. Is this a call to action for the next generation? Yes! We need better representation in this town and we need to show that we are ready to do something about it. It won’t be easy, but we need to show people that the “Stop changing our town” mentality and this short-term vision is not an option.

In the short time that I was campaigning for the vacant seat on City Council people continually mentioned that if the college would only convert to a four-year university we would be able to save our town. The college plays a huge role in bringing people together and has done a lot to revitalize this community, but people also need to understand that the people of this community and the City Council have the capacity to save our town as well … they just haven’t done it yet.

With the passing of the [Tahoe Regional Planning Agency] Regional Plan update more power will be returned to local government. The city has an opportunity to prove that it is ready to move forward with sustainable economic development while balancing both community needs and environmental protection. If we do not change our ways and put forth a solid effort to demonstrate that we can conduct ourselves appropriately, we will loose the respect of our community and miss out on this awesome opportunity. How are we currently showing we are making responsible decisions?

The city of South Lake Tahoe just sold the property on the corner of Ski Run and Highway 50 to a Rite-Aid developer. With decisions like this we are clearly not making any effort to improve the attractiveness of our town, revitalize the economy, or prove to the TRPA we are responsible stewards. No wonder businesses and young professionals are reluctant to stay or perhaps relocate here.

Businesses in South Lake have made it clear that they are not doing well and the economy is suffering. Why then do we continue to use the same old model? Why don’t our decision makers think outside the same box they have been planning with for the last 50 years and try something new? How can we achieve economic viability and sustainability if we can’t be more creative than just having another Rite-Aid?

Our community is demanding positive change. We want more bike trails and access to the beach. We want diverse shopping and dining opportunities. We want local business to experience economic success. We want to beautify the city and be proud of our town, but this community vision is constantly crushed by the nearsightedness of the City Council and a very small number of our own community members. Instead of a pedestrian-friendly shopping and dining experience with locally unique shops and cafes with a view of the lake we’ll have just another Rite-Aid.

There are plenty of other progressive uses for that space, but if this “old economy” mentality keeps up, the educated citizenry and the “high dollar” visitors that this city desperately need will just have to find another town, one that makes a concerted effort to make community desires a priority. It seems as though we can’t even do something as simple as banning plastic bags. We are basically telling the world that we are not serious about saving the lake. We need to unify around some common goals and show our city leaders that we are ready and willing to work to effect change and make difficult decisions that benefit the community in the long term.

Together we can adopt a city vision … and possibly a region wide goal of making positive improvements… insuring that our generation, and the generations that come after us, aren’t going to be disenfranchised with the state of the town being left to them.

Scott Valentine is the head of the Earth Science Department at Lake Tahoe Community College.

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Publisher’s note: The property where Scott Valentine says a Rite-Aid is going is in escrow. It was owned by the city’s Redevelopment Agency and had to be sold per state law. The buyer at this time has not been disclosed. And any building that would go on the site would have to be approved by the city and other permitting agencies. None of that has happened. So it is not factual at this time to say what may built at that location. And the city cannot deny a certain type of business if the use is allowable in that location. It’s partly called free market.

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. Careaboutthecommunity says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    I would guess that the reasons why no younger people are on the council is:

    1. Voters tend to elect older people thinking that they have more experience. This could be totally false, and it is possible they could be very out of touch with current times, and lack the ability to think outside the box, as we do tend to get set in our ways as we age ;)

    2. Young people are too busy starting their careers, trying to get by, or are tied up with small children. Serving on the council does not a living make, no one could survive on the pay, and it seems to take a huge amount of hours from ones life.

    I’m guessing no one under 50 is on the council, and I’m guessing if they do work, they have some degree of flexibility at their job, probably a mostly impossible feat for younger people.

    It would be good to see at least one younger person on the council, it would create a better balance, with new perspective and ideas.

  2. dryclean says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Scott, obviously you care. I disagree that this is about age.

    This is about an old boy network of which Laine, Davis and Cole are bonafide members. That is why you did not get serious consideration from the current council. This is about people like these three who owe way too many favors and are inept and such would never allow an intelligent newbie on. They branded you as too green, as in environmentally green, early in the process.

    Most importantly its about the majority of voters who do not want change. Thus they are Ok with the old guard staying in positions of power. Ask yourself how the guy responsible for the “hole” in the ground gets re-elected twice after he screwed this up. The majority of the voters do not care about our local economy. They do not care about creating new jobs. They do not give a damn if the tourists come or not. They have their homes, retirement income or steady job with the city, county, STPUD, Barton, etc. They have their hiking trails, ski resorts, lake, sunsets and whatever they need already.

    As to our business community, how many stepped up and voiced an opinion in the last election or at the appointment process. The answer, almost none. Did you see an opinion from Sprouts, Fresh Ketch, Powderhouse, Heavenly, Cantina, Nephele’s, Freshies, Meeks, Steamers, Chevy’s, safeway, Raleys, Evans, Grocery Outlet, Apres Wine, Rude Brothers, Nel’s, Tahoe Bowl, Embassy Suites, Motel 6, etc. The answer is NO! Ask yourself why not if they care and want change.

    You state that this is the junkiest town you have ever lived in. If you run again, you will rue those words. People will interpret this to mean they are white trash living in junky homes. Who will vote for someone who is associated with comments like these?

    Want to disprove this? Knock on doors and see how many young professionals live in the city limits. See how many are willing to support your change. I fear you will not see the numbers to support your dream.

    Parting advice, start looking for another job in a town that cares. This one does not. I think you will be happier.

  3. Rhinopoker says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Scott,

    Don’t lose the attitude and enthusiasm for wanting better from you live. It is people like you who make a difference in a community. I would like you to have more solutions and ideas in your opinion peice so I could better understand how you want to improve SLT. Keep pushing forward.

  4. Atomic says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Scott, thanks for being such a clear voice for change. I read your words about our junky town in the MTN News and for the last few days driving around town I finally just admitted to myself that you are 100% right. Improvements have been made, but so much more to do. Do not regret speaking the truth, it resonates with many people.

    Regarding the city council, I share many of your beliefs. Mostly though, I think they chose someone to fill the vacancy who they didn’t have to get ‘up to speed.’ Not that you do, but it makes it easier on them.

    You, Tyler Cannon and Jason Drew need to take over.

    You will have support and go ahead and disregard dryclean above, plenty of young professional people in the city AND county want our town to improve too.

  5. Irish Wahini says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Very well said Scott! SLT does need a vision and visionaries to move forward. I drafted a letter to Council in November 2012 (have not mailed it yet :-0)… suggesting they read the Sunset articles – Boulder Reinvented (Nov 2012), and “The Best Towns of the Future”, (March 2010) and put together a group to start “brainstorming” ideas to revitalize SLT. SLT has the bones to be great – but not the brains! Such a group/committee could meet once per month to invite fresh ideas and generate plans to refresh our community. I will send my letter to Council today, and will email a copy of it (without Sunset articles) to Kae.

    Stay invigorated Scott — there are folks out there who will catch your energy!

  6. Tahoe Reader says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Thanks for making an effort. The CC needs needs new blood and ideas.

    As a property owner in the Ski Run area, I have also been following the sale of that lot and agree that if a Rite Aid goes in it will represent a wasted opportunity for the city. Maybe that sale will fall apart or the developer will wish to do something different but I think it was clear that the city had more leverage before it sold the lot than it will afterwards.

  7. Laura says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    We were inspired to visit Leavenworth WA a few years ago and for some time I have wished SLT could follow in their footsteps. This Bavarian-themed town wth an Alpine backdrop (sounds like Tahoe, doesn’t it?) reinvented itself when community members decided they no longer wanted to live in a “dumpy” looking town. We could do this, with the right amount of planning, $ infusion, and community spirit.
    Google Leavewnworth, Washington and see for yourselves.

  8. Laketoohigh says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Scott,
    Politics is a nasty game. You seem to have a real “nice guy trying to do the right thing” feel about you. Be really careful about what you say. Every word can be taken out of context and used against you. “Junky”. Meaning the look, the availability of social services, the lack of viable options for affordable gas and shopping for locals, the preponderance of drugs and crime in such a small community, the paucity of any faith in local officials to do the right things with honesty and integrity? What do you mean by “Junky”?

  9. PerryRObray says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    “this is the dumpiest place I have ever lived, surrounded by the best place I have ever lived.” I have lived in 3 different resort mountain ranges, unfortunately, I have to agree with Scott. How much of this has to do with losing 6K jobs in the casinos on south shore, how much of this has do with the TRPA forcing private property owners to change the color of a building, how much of this has to do with residential lots on the biggest filter on the biggest river dumping into Lake Tahoe, a world wide treasure???????

  10. PerryRObray says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    BTW, even though I don’t go to a lot of these meetings, one reasons I miss more during the winter months(summer time I can ride my bicycle)is that no go(oh yeah, it is really blue go) has unacceptable service to often.

  11. iIrish Wahini says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    I checked out the City of Leavenworth, WA website — amazing! Thoughtful letter from the Mayor with substance!… an invitaion to the community to weigh in on changes being considered by completing a survey for Council, and much more. Check it out — SLT could learn alot from this city that was “dying” before it reinvented itself and became a huge success!

  12. Bob says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    You said it Scott. This is a young mans town run by a bunch of old timer’s with no vision and no desire to change it. Good luck to you. Until you get rid of the good ‘ol boy network this town will never change. And the same goes for the good ‘ol boy network running America! They’ve both helped to run our communities into third world status.

  13. tahoeadvocate says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Scott, I like the intensity of your attitude. Your disappointment at not being selected for the City Council seat is understandable but the council’s responsibility was to select the person they thought was most qualified. That is not necessarily the criteria used by voters so be sure to run in the next election.
    As far as the sale of the lot at Ski Run and Hwy 50, it’s too bad that you weren’t able to put together a group of investors to buy it yourself and create what you envision the city needs. It was the city’s responsibity to sell the lot to the highest bidder. Wish there had been one which met your goals, but there wasn’t.

  14. ConcernedinTahoe says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    I expect that one of the reasons you don’t see a lot of existing businesses in town asking for a major redevelopment of the city is the expectation of high taxes to cover it. Eminent domain is costly, and would be required to make this the ‘Alpine Utopia’ of which you speak… The bad economy is also not helpful as reduced demand and increased competition from the Indian casinos makes increased spending not feasible… Imagination is needed, but it must be fiscally sound… Maybe start with the hole-in-the-ground?

  15. 29riverrat says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    I too was disappointed about the choice for the vacant council seat. The learning curve for a new council member can be quick if the other members and the staff are willing to help the person learn. As to thinking outside the box, some of that has been done but each time something goes wrong with the plan. Incomplete information, wrong information or lack of questioning information provided has lead to some disastrous decisions. Obviously I am referring to the hole in the ground – a project of that size issued building permits without a performance bond, the council members associated with the building trade, well you have it all right there.

    And I have always objected to council meetings, STPUD meetings etc being held during the day for the convenience of the members and staff, not the public. I can hear the whining now from staff: “We have to work in the evening, that is not fair”. Be thankful you have a job.

  16. 29riverrat says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Another Rite-Aid!!! If indeed that is true, that would make 8 chain drug stores. Do we really need another chain drug store?

  17. AROD says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Scott, you are right on point. This city and its council are stuck in a time warp. They serve the powers that be, read casinos and Edgewood. And just as in the rest of the USA, income disparity continues to grow and the middle class is disappering. Our town is in need of some serious help and it will be the younger voices that must prevail. Many of our generation have sold out and lost their souls in the process. Keep up the good fight.

  18. 30yrlocal says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    I appreciate everyone caring enough to comment. This is great! Do you find it ironic that people say they want less government turn around and blame government on their city’s problems? There is a dumpy look to our town but is it the city’s job to fix it all? No. Look at the landlords/building owners in this town. They should update their buildings (like the nice job they did at the pawn shop/restaurant complex). New siding and a welcoming and spruced up entrance would do wonders. Good attitude and an over the top service does wonders too.

    I was young in the town once. I became active at work which evolved into committees and PTAs, Pop Warner and service clubs and non-profits. To say this town is against the young is absolutely not true. I see the city wanting commission members, volunteer corps and more. Maybe the town doesn’t vote young because they don’t know you yet…serve and be noticed. It is hard to jump into being a part of this town at the top (no matter what your age is).

    I want a spruced up town but I believe we need to start at the bottom up. Take pride in what you do, what you own, where you work, etc. I always look at life as being a part of the solution and not a part of the problem.

  19. tahoeadvocate says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Scott, 30yrlocal brings up a good point. You can gain experience in through volunteering.

    When I was hiring people I weighed two things, education and experience. Experience outweighed education in older people and education outweighed experience when the candidate was young.

    I had so many “wantta be” people apply who had neither but told me they could do a really good job if only I would hire them. I couldn’t risk my business just on their positive attitude.

    I don’t know what your background is but it sounds like the Council opted for experience in their latest decision.

    Again, voters aren’t as logical when selecting their employees.

  20. Dude says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    I gotta agree with the dumpy comment. I moved here 6 years ago from a big city thinking I would find a community concerned with sustainable living and living in harmony with the beautiful surroundings. Instead I found a community with many areas that are run down, a mentality stuck in the past, and a large segment of the population that is fine with the status quo or simply doesn’t care because this is not their home. They’ll be here for a season or two and move on.

    In addition you have a large segment of the business community that treats their employees as expendable due to the amount of new blood that continually comes through town. Now, I realize the seasonal nature of this town and that’s fine with me, but when you have one job during the summer, one in the winter, and have to reapply each season with no guarantee of getting your job back. Well…it gets disheartening and demoralizing after a while (i.e. loyalty from the employee to the employer but none in the other direction).

    Add on to that unplanned neighborhoods, absentee landlords that don’t care, and a pervasive and permissive drug culture. Well you get what you see in front of you. I moved here single and fancy free and in some ways was willing to put up with all these things.

    I’m now 33, have a young family and really see no future here for us. No business opportunity, no cohesive or clear vision for the future, and very little civic leadership. So it’s time to move on.

    I wonder how many others have been in my situation and thought the same thing. I do love this place and want to see it prosper but it seems there are too many roadblocks.

    Thanks Scott for writing this piece.

  21. 4-mer-usmc says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    For the record, not everyone who’s old is against the much needed changes this community/region must implement if it is to survive and prosper. When my spouse and I decided to leave Menlo Park and move to South Lake Tahoe 13-years ago we drove up to find a place to rent prior to purchasing our home here. At that time we both noted how “junky” and rundown the built environment of the town looked compared to the many years prior when we came here to recreate, but the natural environment is so beautiful we decided to overlook the rundown appearance of the town and relocate here anyway, far away from the Highway 50 area. Now, 13 years later this town is even more rundown in appearance and its economic decline has continued its march toward death. Truthfully, we hardly notice how shabby the town looks anymore because it is so commonplace and expected. Our unfortunate resignation springs from the unwillingness and never ending criticisms and resistance of many long-time locals to recognize or acknowledge the need for real change, lack of vision, and attitude of “this is good enough”. Well it isn’t good enough, and what I find most frustrating is that this community/region has every individual component for tremendous success but lacks the cohesiveness to work toward the common goal of what’s best for the entire community versus the individual interests of a select few. To all those long time locals whose children have had to leave this area because there are no opportunities here for them, I would suggest that the same old, same old is not working and provides even greater evidence of the need for change.

    One lesson I’ve learned in the many years I’ve lived is that nothing stays the same and that there is an absolute need for continual anticipation, adjustments and adaptability to all the altering circumstances that come at us. Doing the same thing doesn’t even get you more of the same, it takes you backward. Age in and of itself does not cause a decline in visionary thinking but rather in one’s energy level, but “old thinking” whether by young or old is causing the decline of this community. It is my hope that the next generation demanding something better for themselves and their families will soon take their shot at breathing life into this dying patient with some much needed new thinking and vision because the same old, same old is not and has not worked for a long time.

  22. dryclean says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Nice comments. The reality is that the same old, same old will prevail because there are no jobs for 25-45 somethings unless you want seasonal work with no benefits. That’s why people like Dude (see above) can’t stay here. The reality is that despite all of the truths above, the people who vote do not want change. If they did, how do individuals like Cole and Davis get re-elected over and over? They more than perhaps anyone other than Lovell, Grego, Upton and the likes of Laine and her mother are why this town is dying. No vision, uneducated projects, and their belief that the physical existence of the lake and taking care of their small business friends are all that matters.

    The voters may be stupid, but they are the voters. As Bruce Grego once said, “the voters are always right”. Too bad, but that’s the way the votes are counted.

  23. Firebreaker says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    I salute Scott Valentine for his views and hope we can get this fella elected soon. …”but this is the dumpiest place I have ever lived, surrounded by the best place I have ever lived.” and I hope the corruption is cleaned up too.

    “This is the one of the most CORRUPT places I have ever lived, surrounded by the best place I have ever lived.”

  24. Om says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    I , too, agree with Scott’s sentiments about our crappy looking town in paradise, but let’s not get too carried away with the vilification of those in office. Anywhere there is power there is corruption and our city council is no different. However, these people are doing what they can, for little or no money and countless hours of time, and here we are, for better and worse. We are all human. We who care and want to see change have to begin the process by: 1. Paying attention 2. Getting involved and 3.Trying to keep it positive, its a big rock to push and we need many shoulders.
    I am very optimistic about our future here and point to the wildly successful transformation of the Lakeview Commons as proof that things can happen, in our lifetimes! Look at the transformation of California’s financial picture lately, change can happen. I’m not sure how we do here either but I am looking forward to finding out.

  25. Laketoohigh says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Firebreaker,
    It all ties together. Hal Cole et al might have to divulge information concerning their ties to individuals like the ones involved with the ( There is no such thing as a performance bond) “hole in the ground” if new blood started snooping around. The ties to Gino and the new owners of the Ketch. A sunny place for shady individuals indeed! This town has no family value. Those people are smart enough to live in the county. We need a new group of intelligent, well educated people like Mr. Valentine to take the lead. Hopefully they will quickly come to the conclusion that to have a viable community that can thrive in these economic times, you need things that will bring people who want to raise their families here. Parking meters are not that answer. How about making the area more enticing to high tech companies. Tax breaks for full time job creators like a Google or a Facebook type situation where the job can get done regardless of weather conditions. That would be money better spent than using tax dollars for worthless studies and lawsuits.

  26. Steve says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    End the nonsense, waste, duplicity, higher taxes, and stupid actions. Dissolve the city now. High tech companies are not going to move to South Lake Tahoe and listen to their employees gripe every time they have to shovel out their street mailboxes after the snowplows pass and thoughtlessly leave snow berms blocking them.

  27. Digital Content says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Study on U-Haul rental rates indicates there is a migration out of California – details on this video link.
    http://youtu.be/l_sGbrtOzA8

    Those young people that chose to stay in California will end up having to cover all the costs of the massive debts. THere will be no bailouts.

  28. Lucinda says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    Scott, Thank you for a great piece.
    I agree with many of your views, particularly “this is the dumpiest place I have ever lived, surrounded by the best place I have ever lived.” I am dismayed every time I drive down Highway 50 and see the likes of the Trout Creek Motel and why nothing has been done about this eyesore. It should be condemned. At the least, why are the sign ordinances not enforced?
    I don’t pretend to have all the answers, but can only suggest that some of the property owners/businesses should be given an incentive to fix up their properties. Kudos to a business like Blue Dog Pizza for taking an old building and fixing it up. They should be recognized and held up as an example of what can be done.
    I would also suggest the Chamber not only have marketing seminars, but teach their members the importance of LANDSCAPING and a fresh coat of paint! It’s a small start, but can make a big difference.
    You are certainly correct in your reasoning on why there are not more people at meetings. I work 8 to 5 and my schedule is NOT flexible, so cannot attend. There were over 100 people at the Al Tahoe neigborhood meeting last fall(to discuss Harrison Ave project) when it was held in the evening. So, there are people who are interested and involved when they have a chance. Please continue to stay involved and I hope to see you run for the council at the next time.

  29. Alex Campbell says - Posted: February 17, 2013

    So what else is new ? Cole,Davis and the rest of gang that are in the shadows,still run SLT,

  30. 4-mer-usmc says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    Ever since I’ve lived here people have complained about City Councilmembers that serve multiple terms still running SLT. How about reducing this circumstance to its lowest common denominator which is who keeps voting these same people into office? While people want to place all blame for this City’s maladies on the City Councilmembers alone there is a contingent of local residents and business owners/operators that support like-minded candidates and they vote them into office. I think that contingent constituency would love to see improvements in our town such as those at Lakeview Commons but they are unwilling to put out any of their own money for improvements and always want someone else to pay for everything. For example, when the City attempts to enforce the sign ordinance code on non-compliant businesses they get a litany of reasons from business owners/operators why they shouldn’t have to comply, and if those are the guys that voted a candidate into office that Councilmember may feel obligated to protect that constituent who is frequently referred to as one of the “good old boys”. As long as the people who think “this is good enough”, or “I’m not paying for anything” continue to control the election results this town will continue deteriorating. If you want real change and improvements then get involved and directly inform the City Council what it is you expect of them, and not via a blog on a website but via an email to them at the City’s website, and if they don’t start giving you what you want then get out and vote for it in November 2014. The alternative is acceptance that some local residents and business owners/operators with no sense of vision, pride, and the unwillingness to make any capital investment toward the improvement of their own asset and our community will continue to rule this town.

    It is not only the City Council that is culpable for this situation; it is also some of the local residents and business owners/operators.

  31. dryclean says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    4-mer-usmc, well said.

    However, as I said before, the people who vote, do not want change. Who have they elected in the past 8 years who ran on a platform of change? Not Swanson, not Birdwell, not Conner, not Cole, not Davis, not Grego, not Fortier. No one who has been elected in this time frame addressed fixing our economy. Not one had a plan or even pushed for one.

    The only way a change candidate will get in is to run on no change and then try to change once on. Sad but true.

  32. Careaboutthecommunity says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    I just walked Raley’s (Crescent V) to MontBleu and back today, and noticed that it was so run down looking, huge potholes in the road and in driveways to the casinos, you really can’t look more than 2 feet without seeing some blight, so it just adds up, and makes the whole place look “Dumpy”. Streets full of inches of dirt (when was the last sanding after a snow storm?), beer bottles, trash can in front of CVS overflowing with drink containers and garbage. The buildings (casinos) around Stateline look right out of the 70’s or earlier, very minimal upgrade, and the interiors are kept barely on the edge of not being too rundown. How many times I have come in from the garage at Harvey’s and they have buckets set out to collect the leaking roof, the garage including stairwells is gross. Montbleu’s stairs from the box office to the casino floor are thread bear at the edges.

    I understand big casino corporations that really have no ties to the community are going to stick to there bottom lines, make as much profit as possible, this includes investing as little as possible into the properties, so you keep your profit margin high, I totally understand that, but here’s the question… Even if we thought the Loop road might pour prosperity into the region, why would we think by the Casinos current actions with taking care of their properties, that anything would be different?

    Embassy did look pretty good from the curb, but I did not go in ;)

    I don’t know what the answer is, do we expect that if the city (taxpayers) invest in town improvements, that businesses will automatically also upgrade, or do we force them through Redevelopment? Do we need to do something really big, as mentioned earlier, and create a themed town similar to Leavenworth, WA? Where should we start? and also consider that many have been trying to make improvements to this town for decades, and it is a huge challenge, that is more often unsuccessful. Not to be negative, but we really need to know what we are up against ;) Are people willing to make sacrifices to improve the town, even if it’s not what they want? or will NAMBY’s perpetuate the downward spiral of this area?

  33. 4-mer-usmc says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    Dryclean:

    Your assessment of no opportunity for change may very well be true and is somewhat bleak at best. I hope that the busy young people to whom Mr. Valentine addressed his opinion piece who cannot attend City Council meetings will watch them on the City’s website, communicate via email with the existing Councilmembers, register to vote absentee ballot and then mail in their vote for the November 2014 election when three Councilmember seats will be up for grabs. Whatever happens in this community is up to the voting constituents, and truthfully the City has made it pretty simple for people to be informed on what the City Council is doing and it is easy for one to cast a ballot.

  34. tahoeadvocate says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    Careaboutthecommunity: You’ve just pointed out many flaws. The only positive comment was about Embassy Suites which I believe just went through bankruptcy.
    Don’t know how that mixes into them looking the best.
    You state you don’t know what the answer is but offer some questions about where to start.

    I’d suggest we start at 1965 when some people decided we needed a City Government. I’d like to see the original paperwork upon which the State authorized the city to form. What were the specific reasons the residents wanted this. I’m sure there were only a few. Now let’s compare those few charters to all the things the city is trying to do today.

    Has the city taken on too much? Should the city cut back to serve the original reason it was formed? Would that simplify the role of the City Council and allow them to manage the city rather than becoming a “lets find revenue wherever we can” committee while still not being able to provide basic services like paving our streets?

    Do we need a city fire department rather than private industry like Rural Metro
    http://www.ruralmetro.com/
    where each homeowner contracts for service rather than it going through the tax process? My personal experience with them was they charged 1/3 what I paid after the city took over providing the same service. That should reduce our property taxes which would give us more money to spend in our neighborhoods. My experience tells me that there are very few things which government does better and cheaper than industry. There are a few like defending against foreign agression but the list is short.

    What other roles has the city taken on which it was not intended to do when it started? Ice rink, parking garage, paid street parking, airport, etc, etc.

    Reduce and simplify their role and have residents accept their responsibility to make the place where they live one which they are proud of.
    Don’t relinquish your personal responsiblity to some government entity which we continue to complain about. Make the city do only what it was intended for in the charter the residents gave it.
    Take back your neighborhoods, become proud of what you personally can do, reduce your taxes and tell this entity everyone complains about you want them doing less not more.

  35. 4-mer-usmc says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    Careaboutthecommunity:

    You pose some very provocative questions. I personally think that numerous establishments on both sides of the Stateline lack adequate pride to step up and invest in their assets, spend money on maintenance, or pay to have adequate staff to ensure that their establishments remain desirable for a higher standard of clientele that demands some modicum of cleanliness, safety, and quality. That “bring in any customer” attitude does not attract an affluent, respectful clientele but rather destructive, disrespectful individuals who don’t have a lot of money to spend anyway, and people who do have money don’t want to be subjected to individuals of that caliber. That may sound snobby but that is reality.

    You remarked that Embassy looked pretty good from the curb and I’d be willing to bet that they do address needed maintenance and have adequate staff to ensure their business remains desirable.

  36. Careaboutthecommunity says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    I forgot, the other place that looked good was the gondola area, and the village area. the Ice rink was hopping, and many kids were hooked up in bungee harnesses leaping about over near the movie theater, so this was a pretty good pocket of a mostly clean, well cared for area.

    Raley’s shopping center looked in pretty good shape too, except for the huge potholes you have to try to dodge from HWY 50 to turn into the center.

  37. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    Mr. Valentine,
    To call So. Shore dumpy and junky… I don’t care for that one bit. Sure this town needs to be fixed up but from what I’ve seen over the years, things move at a snails place around here when it comes to renovation of older commercial buildings or new businesses coming in, or the old the neighborhoods that need to be spruced up. Please don’t call my town dumpy and junky! Needs work? You bet, but hey, it’s a fixer upper and for a good price at that I might add! A fresh coat of paint, repair some roads, put in a few more public parks along with some other improvements and we’ll be sittin’ pretty.
    I doubt your age had anything to do with your not being selected for the empty council seat,it’s all about connections. Fresh faces on the council? We got a few, but could use more. I hope you run in the next election and are succesful. Glad to see your’e involved in the community and are trying to make things better, it doesn’t hurt to try. Once again please don’t call it “the dumpiest place you’ve ever lived”. This has been my home town for a long time and I don’t like people runnin’ down So. Shore.
    Thanks, Old Long Skiis

  38. Laketoohigh says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    I would not hold my breath waiting for the Casinos to do anything to improve. Caesars owns Harvey’s and Harrahs and they are so leveraged we should be happy they haven’t just shut them down. Mont Blu’s parent company is in financial straights, the Horizon is just waiting to be torn down and the Lakeside is just a local bar with a couple of table games and a few slots. The city of SLT was formed at a time when growth was huge. Life was 24/7. Money flowed like water. Hotels and motels flourished. Bartender at one of the casinos was a hundred K job and most of it was in non reported tips. There were jobs for everyone who wanted one. The family base was huge. The high school won state championships in basketball. Those days are GONE! No more will we be suckling on the teats of the pre “gambling everywhere” casinos. New people with New Ideas are what’s needed now. Sprucing up the front yard is not going to bring the jobs that will be full time and have enough income potential to attract quality people who will take pride in their community. Having a home in a “nice” part of town, I can tell you how frustrating it is to be one of maybe three homes that have lights up for Christmas or lights on for trick or treaters. The rest are all vacation rentals or summer homes. Jobs. Family values. A sense of a real community not a place for drifters and graft artists. It all starts with jobs.

  39. Biggerpicture says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    Old Long Skiis, as to YOUR response to Mr. Valentines comments about our home being ‘dumpy and junky’ I agree 110%! I get, and agree, to the gist of Mr. Valentine’s views, but maybe there is something to the age issue and learning some tact and diplomacy.

  40. Careaboutthecommunity says - Posted: February 18, 2013

    Laketoohigh, good point, quality jobs, that solves many things, and without them, you have nothing, but a deteriorating town, as no one can afford to settle down, buy a home, or raise a family on a minimum wage job with no, or very few benefits. I imagine it’s a great fun life for one that is young, fancy free, and wants to ski and party everyday, but that demographic is unable to grow a town and make it prosperous, except for a few corporate honchos that will reap the benefits of their labor.

    This town can’t survive with 40 (I’m guessing here) people prospering, and the rest living at the poverty line, so how do we reinvent ourselves, or aid individuals to take risks and reinvent themselves (new businesses) to increase our amount of successful families living in this town?

    I think quality jobs are a huge part of the answer.

  41. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: February 19, 2013

    Laketoohigh and Careaboutthecommunity,
    You two got it right. We need jobs here in So. Shore. We create more jobs from attracting more tourists or as my folks told me when we were in the motel biz, they said “Bobby, the people that stay here at our motel are not customers or tourists, they are our guests and are to be treated as such”. So because “our guests” are important to our economy and the revitalization of our town we need more “guests”.
    When you live in a resort town, this a fact of life. We need more people to come and visit our beautiful area. We need more people to come here for the beauty of the lake, the views, fresh mountain air, hiking, biking, fishing the skiing and yes the casinos as well. All the while the guests are putting some money into the local businesses.
    All those guests create jobs as more people are hired to accomodate the increase in business. More jobs means a better local economy which in turn means a stronger community, a cleaner and better looking city with more full time residents (as opposed to all the empty homes in my neighborhood).
    Lets build on what we have and re-build on some of the town that could use a fresh look. Takes money ,time and effort but it CAN be done!
    Old Long Skiis

  42. 4-mer-usmc says - Posted: February 19, 2013

    Laketoohigh and Careaboutthecommunity:

    I think you’re right on the money regarding jobs. While recreation is a component part of this town’s economic driver I believe that diversification is necessary to create jobs other than minimum wage that service tourists. We need more jobs that pay a decent wage so people can afford to live here, buy a home, raise a family, and so we can have a more permanent population and tax base. More minimum wage jobs won’t do that. So much business is conducted electronically it would make sense to try to attract call centers that service customers such as those for the insurance industries and computer industries, certain types of non-profit organizations, the types of businesses that don’t need to be in a financial hub area like San Francisco but can operate and conduct their business outside those venues. Another idea I really like is LTCC President Murillo’s of highly specialized programs that would be considered preeminent in their fields such as in Fire Science and the environment that would attract individuals seeking degrees considered prestigious along with the needed faculty to teach them, plus the think tanks that generally set up shop nearby such as what happened near Stanford. While these suggestions aren’t the entire answer to better jobs with better incomes they could be a start and one of the component parts of what supports this community economically. Having such great economic dependence on one revenue generator that provides mostly minimum wage jobs will not provide the answers and the volatility of a bad economy such as the recent recession has far too much economic impact as was amply demonstrated.

    The question I ask is do we want to stand around wringing our hands hoping that the tourists will come and save us economically or do we want to take some control over our financial future?

  43. Careaboutthecommunity says - Posted: February 19, 2013

    4-mer-usmc, I like the idea of LTCC being one of the biggest drivers of growth, of the town. If we had those highly specialized, in demand programs, and had quality dorms with good transportation, it would be a good package to sell, especially once it acquired some history and reputation. You also could just develop the program, and let the students figure it out on their own with housing and transportation (BlueGo), but not sure how smoothly that would go, just based on what I’ve heard of the system (BlueGo), while never partaking. Maybe a partnering; which was done with one of the motels on Ski Run, not sure if it still is operating in that capacity.

  44. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: February 19, 2013

    4-mer-usmc,
    As always you penned a well written and thoughtful comment. That’s one of the reasons I like LTN, people expressing themselves and their ideas in a way that opens my mind to other points of view.
    I wish we had some other form of income for So. Shore instead of so much of it being related to tourism in one form or another. I don’t see anything on the horizon as an alternative but you do have several good suggestions 4-mer and I hope they pan out as it would be great not to rely entirely on the tourist dollars (sorry, meant to say “guest” dollars) to keep this town afloat.
    This town needs good paying jobs! If you’ve lived here for even a short amount of time you know how expensive it is to get by here on So.Shore.
    Fix the town, create jobs and adjust the wages so people can live and stay here! Old Long Skiis

  45. 4-mer-usmc says - Posted: February 19, 2013

    Careaboutthecommunity and Old Long Skiis:

    I think no matter what happens it will take collective work on the parts of numerous entities and agencies to identify a framework to create better opportunities for our community. Not defining a vision and a plan to accomplish such and then really working together toward that goal will end up being a waste of every type of scarce resource. While the need to collaborate has been acknowledged to some degree, it needs much greater honing and participation to start accelerating the process of moving forward. And at some point the public has got to get on board and accept the need for changes.

  46. SnowboardBetter.com says - Posted: February 20, 2013

    OldLongSkis,”Please don’t call my town dumpy and junky! Needs work? You bet, but hey, it’s a fixer upper and for a good price at that I might add”

    $200K-$300K a good price with with maybe $200-$300 a month in land owner taxes in the city of South Lake Tahoe. Maybe if you are from a rough part of Marin it might seem cheap. Places down the road probably not a fixer upper maybe around $100K and $10-$100 a month in property taxes.

  47. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: February 20, 2013

    SnowboardBetter,
    Just put our old dog down this morning so I’m not feeling up to reply. A sad day here. I’ll miss Lucky very much.
    I will say home prices are coming down from the craziness of 5 or 10 years ago. Take Care, Old Long Skiis

  48. 4-mer-usmc says - Posted: February 20, 2013

    Old Long Skis:

    My condolences on the loss of your dog—that’s really the pits. Dogs bring us a lot of joy but losing them is really the downside of that nice relationship. Wish I could offer up something to make you feel better but I know that’s not possible. Good luck to you, cohort geezer.

    4-mer

  49. Careaboutthecommunity says - Posted: February 20, 2013

    OLS, sorry to hear of the loss of your dog :(

    Take Care :)

  50. Reloman says - Posted: March 18, 2013

    A lot of people seem to be very negative about this city. Yes we have a lot of dumpy motels along highway 50 all of these do not cater to our guest rather to low income people who cant get regular rentals because of different reasons a good many of these people have dependency problems. If the city did something about this unlawful use it would force the owners to close or invest in their property to attract our visiting guest. As far as this town being dumpy we are improving. Highway 50 has been more than half way resurfaced, with sidewalks. Lights will be added next year. The rest from the y to trout creek is scheduled in next years building year. A great many of the older motels in the stateline and ski run area have been upgraded in the last 5 years and instead of rundown motels being the norm they are really the minority now. There is scheduled to be construction on retail stores with a 40 ft setback in the hole this building season. New big 5, TJ Maxx, Harrison Ave(construction this year) Lakeview commons, we have had and will have a lot of things going on to improve our dumpy town.
    In the calendar year 2011 the number of visitor room rentals were up 6% over 2010 and 2012 was up 12%. Money that was doing nothing is now being put into upkeep of bike trails and ball parks this year.
    I keep hearing people saying that we need a google or other high tech company up here. Where would we put them they would need a 5 to 10 acre site with 50 to 60% coverage and the ability to take down hundreds of trees. Have you tried to get a tree removal permit for 1 tree? We don’t have such a site that I know of.

  51. barf12 says - Posted: March 18, 2013

    I’ve lived in this town pretty much from 1967. I’ve seen them all coming and going. I see Mr. Valentine as just another petty, overly ambitious, wanna-be politician who can’t wait to spend other peoples’ money. If you don’t like our town, go away please !!! I’ve got enough money to buy that lot on Ski Run. I’m thinking I’m going to contact In and Out Burger and lease the land back to them for a sit down location. No drive through, but a lake view. I’d recoup my investment in seven years, easy.