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Letter: Finding solutions to dog poop


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To the community,

I recently authored a theory that dog waste is contaminating Lake Tahoe. The following is my response to those of you who participated in the dialogue.

Thank you is the first thing I want to say. Thank you to Lake Tahoe News for the opportunity to make my point and the venue to do so. Thank you to the community members who replied because I know it’s not always easy to share thoughts on such a sensitive topic; at least I know it isn’t easy for me. Lastly, thank you to those of you who pick up after your pets because I believe you are the people who are making a difference in Lake Tahoe.

The large variety of responses indicates to me that some of you hold this issue close to your heart, while others of you hold it close to a nerve.

Community suggested recommendations:

Drainage outlet filters and treatment areas: I could not agree more. While it may not be possible to capture all the fine sediment and nutrients from our storm water drainage system, I do think it possible to capture most of them. If we design it well, and it works, then other cities, states, countries may adopt the concept and in that way we could be changing the world for the better.

Enforcement: Should be a last resort measure. It is my opinion that we already have enough compliance officers who think that they are saving Lake Tahoe by issuing fines and citations. While it may be a sweet job, often it goes to their head in the worst way possible.

More bag stations and disposal containers: Yes! It seems reasonable to think that if our cities and counties can require residences to provide bear-proof containers for every property, then it stands to reason that the residents demand a bag station and waste container for every beach, bike trail and trailhead.

Additional solutions may be to provide small areawide dog park facilities for each neighborhood that would contain and treat the waste. Such facilities could also be incorporated to collect, contain and treat area-wide storm water run-off thereby reducing the pollutants of both major contributors.

Pack it in, pack it out. While most all locals have adopted this as their creed, what I fail to understand is why that philosophy does not apply to their dog waste? What harm could be caused by picking it up and disposing of it properly.

My rebuttal to reader’s comments:

Tahoeadvocate wrote: Way more than any dog or cat and their habitat is on or close to the lake where most dogs and cats don’t defecate near the lake.

This is both true and false. It is true that not all dogs live near the lake, while it is false to think that the waste of dogs that do not live near the lake isn’t making it to Lake Tahoe. It was my unfortunate experience while cleaning a street gutter of snow and ice that it also contained frozen dog waste, lots of it. It was at that moment that I made the mental calculation of how much waste was along every street of every neighborhood in Lake Tahoe, frozen waves of feces just waiting to be released and flushed down our storm water drainage system.

Justice wrote: This should be regulated and bear bags required and then deer bags and then squirrel and beavers and for fish. This waste issue is the real cause of something somewhere this is real and really bizarre and laughable.

Before we can push the discourse forward it has to be understood that the theory I presented is about imported nutrients as the cause for the imbalance of our ecosystem, i.e. nutrients brought in by truck, and not the nutrients which have grown here naturally. A bear need not bag its waste if he forages his food from the forest, which is not always the case. Our bears, coyotes, birds, squirrels, etc., feed upon our daily trash. Trash that contains nutrients from out of the area (brought in by truck) and there lies the steaming hot problem.

Cranky Gerald wrote: If we all just did our part, instead of complaining about others we’d be halfway home.

And was, in my opinion, the most intelligent response of all.

Bob wrote: I bet now that all the dogs keep the birds scared off the water is cleaner.

And was, in my opinion, the least intelligent response of all.

Bob also wrote: This article is not based in science and is per speculation.

Which is true, and I’d like to add to that I am also not a scientist either. However, I don’t need science to tell me that smoking causes lung cancer, or that greenhouse gases causes global warming. Not long ago everybody thought the world was flat … well, except for one guy … who do you think was right?

But Bob does bring up a valid point. Where is the evidence? We’ve scrutinized sediment and banned two-stoke engines all in an effort to make change for the better. There has to be a scientist out there somewhere who has already made a study on the subject, and if there isn’t one, shouldn’t we crowd fund one? Perhaps a “feces thesis” from a college graduate, and then have the results published on Lake Tahoe News.

Then we’d know if my theory is full of crap.

Mark Allione, dog owner

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Comments (15)
  1. Old Long Skiis says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    Mark Allione, The dog doo dilemma! A real problem considering our storm drain set up. A costly problem to fix but I feel it would help lake clarity a great deal. Either re route the storm drains or filter the run off.
    Most pet owners are responsible people. They love their dogs and love the lake so they clean up after their pooch and dispose of dog waste properly. Clean up after your dog at home and when takin’ Fido for a walk, always bring a plastic bag.
    Years ago when they ran cattle here in the meadows at summertime, that was stopped becase of damage to the meadows by the cows and the concern of cow manure making its way to the lake via the creeks and rivers.
    So clean up after your dog and take care of the lake.
    OLS,dog and cat owner and pet sitter for the neighbors.

  2. Irish Wahini says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    Unfortunately, there are a great many dog and lake lovers who think dog poop is a natural addition to the environment. I know – I used to date one! I would love to see bag dispensers and deposit stations at trails and beaches (like they have at Kiva Beach). At the entrance to the service road to the lake at the end of Lodi, the winter path is so littered with dog crap, it is difficult to walk that path without hitting a pile, much less pulling a sled along. Keep this campaign going…. maybe a new bumper-sticker with the universal circle with line cross it over the pic of dog in poop position… Keep Tahoe Poop-Free (or “Keep Tahoe Clean” with the no-poop graphic). A friendly campaign is usually a successful campaign.

    Also, maybe ask the school district to run a poster campaign supporting the idea of taking your bag with your dog walk, and Keep Tahoe Clean.

  3. Ryan Payne says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    I see a parallel between this issue and the fireworks lawsuit. Does anybody else?

    Although the complaintant is correct ‘in theory’, it makes a lot of people uncomfortable because the repercussions of this ‘theory’ may adversely impact them personally.

    That’s why it is so great to see proactive ideas like an educational campaign with a positive, environmental spin. Or just simply more dog ‘waste’ stations in all the places dogs frequent to gently remind the owners. It might help take the sting out of scooping poop (aka accepting personal responsibility for your pet)

    -An imperfect dog owner, guilty of the above at times and made ‘uncomfortable’ by this topic

  4. Dave says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    Step 1: Stop feeding dogs food.
    voila! no more doggy doo

    In all seriousness though, I just wish people wouldn’t bag up their dogs crap and just leave the crap filled bag sitting on the side of the trail. That is all..

  5. 52lexington says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    dave, re: bag up crap, leave along trail. yup, this interpretation of the ‘clean up after your animal’ doctrine has always perplexed me.

  6. jenny says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    I love Irish’s suggestions. I’ve seen the red circle with a line crossing through a pup in poop position in other places, and it gets people’s attention. Education campaign too. It boggles my mind – that littering a trail with dog poop is okay. It’s gross.
    Thank you to the volunteers who help pick up after others who don’t care.

  7. Hmmm... says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    @Pam E-great link, informative and apt.

  8. Niki Congero says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    Just wanted to let everyone know that this issue is a personal hot button issue with me. We (the Lake Tahoe Humane Society) have been working on the “Poop Project” for some months now. The plan is to work with various agencies, The League to Save Lake Tahoe, The Lake Tahoe Conservancy and others. Our goal is to install Dog waste stations through out town in areas that are in need. To have business sponsor waste stations and volunteers help maintain the waste bags and trash bins. This is no small project (must raise funds and such) so it will take some time but we hope to have things going by Summer next year. If any one is interested in volunteering or would like more information don’t hesitate to email me at niki@LakeTahoeHumaneSociety.org Would also really like the communities help in assessing where the Waste Station should be installed, so let me know.

  9. George says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    Any article related to animals has my interest and sometimes I go back later in the day to read additional comments. I read this article earlier today and there was a Comment, #4 from legal beagle. While I did not agree with everything this person said, doesn’t he or she have the right to state their opinion? Please explain to me why this posting was removed?

    I wish all the comments and commenter’s would engage in civil language and address only the content of the article and no go off on tangents and name-calling, but sadly this is where we are today. I say this because removing a posting to me is moving in the direction of silencing free speech and that is a great concern to me.

    Thank you.

  10. legal beagle says - Posted: November 20, 2014

    Quote from the UNR study lead in summary. Thanks Pam
    To wit: “However, (the study)it found no link between bacteria in the water and waste accumulation.”
    Now there is some food for thought.

  11. Hmmm... says - Posted: November 21, 2014

    Chow down Beagle….enjoy your meal.

  12. Toxic Warrior says - Posted: November 21, 2014

    HEY – Wait a MINUTE !!

    If we clean up the dog waste and the lake becomes clear – then we wouldn’t need TRPA anymore ………..

    WE CAN’T HAVE THAT ! ( can we ? )

  13. gigguy says - Posted: November 22, 2014

    Thanks “George” for confirming what I thought was happening.